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Posted:  11 June 2009 11:41
 
RS Singlehanded protype, the RS 100 has been given its Webspace here - http://www.rssailing.com/index.asp?selection=RS100

Check out the pictures of the boat.

To me its a great boat that fills a market gap that th Vareo tried but reviews comment on how it struggles to sail upwind. This looks to have excitement and thrills both upwind, across and downwind using the kite too.

Posted:  11 June 2009 11:43
 


[http]http://www.rssailing.com/index.asp?selection=RS100[/http]
Posted:  11 June 2009 21:21
 
Dont supose it comes in "Lightweight" flavour =(
Posted:  15 June 2009 14:31
 
wow..... now that looks interesting! Having already tried the D-One, I am looking forward to having a go in the new RS rocket ship and when I do, I'll post how I got on! For the long time reader of DSM, go back to August 2006 and the article I did on single handers...nice to get things right now and then.

The first details of the RS100 answer a lot of the rumour mill questions that have been doing the rounds for a while, what is less clear may be some of the wider issues about how the new boat will fit into the existing product line.

Are we in for another MPS/RS700 situation?

Whatever, well done to RS for coming out with a racy looking craft!

D
Posted:  15 June 2009 22:15
 
Nice looking boat, strikes me as middle ground between a 300 and Vareo looking at the shape, sails, other features etc.

Any idea on what the PYN will be like?
Posted:  17 June 2009 15:29
 
JRW,

damn it - what a good question. Okay, if you could see me now, I'm writing what I think it will be, it's on a 'Post-it' and stuck to my Offioe Wall.

So how about a cheeky bit of competition? Post YOUR answers on here, going either for an exact 'first past the post' or an each way bet (this could be + or - 3 or 5...just say) and when an PY, even a temporary one, is announced, the winner gets a prize! More than one reader getting it right, I'll put names into the hat.

Go on, give it a go, you've nothing to loose!

DavidH
Posted:  17 June 2009 17:47
 
I have no idea, that's why I was asking. I would guess about 970 maybe. Can't be entirely sure. Like I said, a complete guess
Posted:  18 June 2009 21:08
 
Judging by the way RS pitched their boats in the past, I'd guess they might try for 970 for the big-boys rig and 990/1000 for the smaller rig, though I suspect the figures would more accurately be 990 and 1010, respectively.

I'd hoped this would be a fast, easy boat for lightweights (sub 70kg helm), but it seems that's too tall an order. Because lightweights can't balance large sail areas, it's necessary to go right down on wetted area to gain performance, and that means 'unstable' with conventional hull forms, fact of life :-(
Posted:  19 June 2009 9:23
 
Okay..two issues now going on here!
Let us take the PY number first. JRW, you're right, NO ONE has any idea, all you can do is look and then take an educated guess. I've been looking at new dinghy designs since not long after the Ark so maybe I've had a tad more experience but in the end, making a prediction is a nothing more than a shot in the dark. So go on, have a quick punt and settle on a number!

The second issue is one that is much bigger (if you will excuse the pun).

I did do an article on this oh...3 years ago for DSM but am thinking that maybe it is time for this subject to be revisited and revised. For it is an inexcapable fact that as a 'race' - we are all getting taller, bigger and one would have to add - heavier. Yet in so many classes, the ticket to the front of the fleet is the exact opposite - less weight meaning more speed.

What I find interesting is how few designers and boatbuilders are really looking at this - instead, the 'charge of the light brigade' continues unchecked. There are a few wiser minds out there.... Mike Lyons at Cirrus Raceboats, builder of the Blaze, has been working on the Halo for some time now. I've sailed the boat, albeit in light airs and can confirm that this will be a boat for those who have eaten all the pies! (and that is before they add a kite to the boat).

Having sailed the big Blaze, Vareo, Phantom and now Devoti D-One, what is clear to me is that these are all boats that are unashamedly aimed at the bigger framed sailors. Even more so in the D-One, for although you can flatten the main to go upwind well, when you have a big kite up and you get a gust of wind, then keeping the hull under the rig is always going to be an issue.

So have RS gone for a lightweights boat.....I would have to say that it doesn't look so to me but again, as with the PY, until you can get out there and try the boat in a full range of conditions, we are back to speculation.
BUT...remember - that a lightweight sailor probably has more chance of getting a good sail in a bigger boat, than a bigger sailor is a small boat. I'd love to go foiling and sail all sorts of classes but am too big at 94kg (it was 95kgs but we're out of pies) - but may well get a great experience in sailing these 'new' boats.

So Medway Maniac - I think to make the comment that creating a boat for the sub 70 kg range is a 'tall order' is maybe a bit unfair, yet there is not shortage of boats for you to sail that are out of the range of the bigger guys (you would be foiling nice and early for starters!). So it is back to that harsh lesson of dinghy design (but sadly not of modern marketing)- that one size does not fit all.

Watch this space though and when we get to sail the boat, we will bring you more details.

D
Posted:  24 June 2009 23:28
 
On PY I recon there pitching at sub 950. Any higher and whats the point unless its a straight replacement for the 300. I recon rocket ship material and my number for the hat... PY 945
Posted:  25 June 2009 19:31
 
An interesting viewpoint sprite but thank you - I've added your guestimate to the wallboard. Hmmmnnnn faster than a Fireball/470/hornet around a course? Could be.....
I remember sailing an early Laser EPS and finding it a real rocket ship (though no kite).....

Come on- any more takers for the challenge?

D
Posted:  27 June 2009 21:04
 
I'm going to Guess. 965

Posted:  28 June 2009 15:22
 
I'll guess 978 for the big rig, 990 for the smaller one.
Posted:  28 June 2009 18:17
 
I reckon 1015, depends on the angles it will sail downwind and how it planes
Posted:  2 July 2009 10:04
 
INteresting...getting quite a spread of numbers now!
Watch out on the website for some news that may well make some of you rethink your guesses (those who've yet to have a stab at this - go on, have a go, what have you to loose).

D
Posted:  31 January 2010 20:01
 
Anyone know what PYN they used for the 100 in the Battle of the Classes recently? Or any other event any of them may have attended that I've missed out on ... ?
Posted:  20 February 2010 15:43
 
They used 1005 at the Tiger Trophy.

Very close to the 300.
Posted:  20 February 2010 17:36
 
Richard,

As something of a dinghy historian, I've been looking back through my records of new boat launches and tried to do some comparison of successful v failure on the basis of 'how close' to a good or correct PY number the boat started with. It is by no means an exhaustive or even truly scientific survey BUT it does suggest that the closer the initial builder gets it to the 'right number' early on, the better the chance of success. To far from that point and one of two things happens: either the boat is considered a handicap bandit joke, with a swinghing handicap imposed a season later OR the boat is handicapped so hard from Day 1 that it is a disaster on the race course. In both cases the buying public get scared off.

One would have to say that a number for the RS 100 of a 1000 +/- 10 looks more than fair and reasonable and though in time the pressure of 'sailwave' may impact on this one has the feeling that it is close to where it should be.

Looking at 1005 (as used at the Tigger) what do you all feel about 975 for the D-One?

David H
Dinghy sailing mag

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